Discussion:
E*Trade Online Banking?
Rachel Slatkin
2005-07-25 19:39:05 UTC
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Is anyone using Online Banking in Moneydance with E*Trade Bank?

When I try to set it up, I get this error message:

"The given customer ID or PIN is not valid. For more
information, contact your financial institution.

Additional information from the server: Please enter your
standard E*Trade username that you use to log on to your
E*Trade account(s) on the web."

I'm sure that I'm using the same username and password as I use to
log into the web site. Is anyone else having this problem?
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Rachel Slatkin
2005-08-11 13:03:55 UTC
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Post by Rachel Slatkin
Is anyone using Online Banking in Moneydance with E*Trade Bank?
Following up on my own post, I talked with E*Trade tech support
about this issue this morning. He said that direct online access
is available for their brokerage accounts, but not yet for their
bank accounts. He said they were working on it, but didn't know
when it would be available.

So, I'm interested in finding a bank that allows free direct
online access and bill pay from Moneydance, has free interest
checking, online check images, and that people are happy with. Any
recommendations?
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David Schuetz
2005-08-11 13:11:13 UTC
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Post by Rachel Slatkin
So, I'm interested in finding a bank that allows free direct
online access and bill pay from Moneydance, has free interest
checking, online check images, and that people are happy with. Any
recommendations?
I'm generally happy with Bank of America, though I don't have interest
on the checking and I'm not sure if it's generally free (I get it free
from a promotion when I signed up, God, 13 years ago). Plus they're
huge, so you can always find a branch, which has been helpful at times.

david.
Marcelo LaFleur
2005-08-11 15:51:02 UTC
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I thought it might be interesting to some of you what
other potential users see when they try Moneydance.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=833005264731&r=191008974731#191008974731

Apparently, they get discouraged because an import
from Quicken QIF doesn't work perfectly.

Are there any outstanding issues to be resolved in
this area?



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Dan Hensley
2005-08-11 17:20:30 UTC
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Post by Marcelo LaFleur
I thought it might be interesting to some of you what
other potential users see when they try Moneydance.
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=833005264731&r=191008974731#191008974731
Apparently, they get discouraged because an import
from Quicken QIF doesn't work perfectly.
Are there any outstanding issues to be resolved in
this area?
From reading this newsgroup for 6+ years (I have never used Quicken and
have never had to deal with QIF myself), what I have gathered is that
the QIF format is simply incomplete, and possibly ambiguous as well.
That's why _everyone_ has problems using this format. So it's not a
good format in general. But there doesn't appear to be any other format
that is any better, at least not one that is widely used. And this is a
major problem induced by Intuit.

Dan
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Stan
2005-08-11 21:16:55 UTC
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Post by Dan Hensley
But there doesn't appear to be any other format
that is any better, at least not one that is widely used.
There are plenty of better formats, but QIF was, at one time, the only way
to export data from Quicken (okay, there is the "print to file" option, not
very practical) and import data into Quicken. Quicken being such a big
player in its field, QIF gradually became a defacto standard format (if not
"the" defacto standard).

In a world where data sharing through text files typically means one record
is separated from another with return characters and one field is separated
from another with some other character (commas and tabs being very common),
the QIF file uses returns as both field AND record separators, which is
fairly quirky on its own and quite tedious to interpret programmatically (I
have written code in VB that will read QIF files and generate QIF files
that Quicken will import correctly, so trust me on this). The only thing I
can figure is that the person who designed the QIF format had zero
experience with importing and exporting data and made up the rules the best
he could.

Different versions of Quicken have had minor variations in QIF
interpretation, and I've had to tweak my programs more than once to make
them work again. Of course, there was the issue of moving date formats to
have four-digit years, but one version of Quicken no longer allowed me to
import QIF files where transactions had a null value for "Number," so I
wrote them so that if "Number" was null, it would insert a period so there
was something there. This changing QIF format must be quite a challenge
for developers of commercial software.

By the way, because of the way Moneydance recalls and completes
transactions as you create them, it kept putting periods in for the
transaction numbers, much to my annoyance, so I spit out an XML file and
removed all of the periods from the "Number" field of all transactions, and
I have to say I love it, love it, love it that scrubbing data is so easy in
Moneydance!

Now Intuit has begun to revoke QIF import/export functionality altogether.
Now I am a Moneydance user. I may be picky, but I expect my financial
software to share with others, and it's a deal-breaker for me.

Stan
Ken Ganshirt
2005-08-13 18:03:15 UTC
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[...snip...]
Now Intuit has begun to revoke QIF import/export functionality
altogether.
Now I am a Moneydance user. I may be picky, but I expect my financial
software to share with others, and it's a deal-breaker for me.
Stan
Just idle curiousity, Stan ... how do you share your MD data with others
now? Are you still using QIF or something else?

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Stan
2005-08-13 22:24:18 UTC
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Post by Ken Ganshirt
Just idle curiousity, Stan ... how do you share your MD data with others
now? Are you still using QIF or something else?
...ken...
Well, I mentioned in another post that I had become annoyed with
transactions that had "." for "Check Number" (or whatever the field is
called), so I dumped all the data out to an XML file and replaced the
periods with nothing (i.e., removed them). This is the sort of thing I've
been wanting to do for years but couldn't.

I dabbled with Moneydance's ability to import text files, but having
already done the work to spit out QIF files that MD imports just fine, I
found that it was simpler to just stick with the QIF format.

There is sort of a long answer besides this, so you might want to take a
No-Doz, or take advantage of this sure cure for sleep deprivation...

I have had several Access databases over the years and gradually rolled
most of them into one that performs several functions. Okay, I say
"still," although when I upgraded to Office 2003, it broke about 3/4 of the
various databases I use, but don't get me started on Microsoft next!

I don't trust the idea of connecting to my FI's and letting them put
transactions directly into my financial software. I want to maintain my
own data where only I can touch it, and then I compare it to what the FI
says. That doesn't mean I want to enter every transaction by hand,
however. Here are some of the ways I pass data around. Most of this has
to do with maintaining my checking account.

I download a QIF file from my bank and load it into my database. I have
added a duplicate transaction avoidance algorithm (I did this before
Quicken had it, and kept thinking, "hey, this isn't rocket science"), so I
just download all available transactions and anything that's already in the
database doesn't get loaded. I built this shortly after I opened the
account, almost 10 years ago, so it has every transaction that has ever
been posted to my checking account. Part of my motivation is that my bank
only shows the last 90 days or something like that, and I didn't want them
to roll off.

I can use this to assist me in reconciling my account. The sum of all
transactions is the current balance according to the bank. The database
knows what transactions I've just downloaded, and I have a macro that I run
when I reconcile to my monthly statement, so it also knows if I've gotten
ahead of that, so I know which transactions to toggle back to uncleared,
run reconciliation to the statement balance, then toggle them back and
reconcile to the current balance.

I can go through and check off transactions to export to a QIF file and
import them into my financial software. I can select and do this for only
deposits that haven't been done before, or billpay transactions, or use any
other criteria I like. Some billpay payees are set to create duplicate
transactions with flags that make them obvious duplicates in the financial
software, which allows me to easily compare one above the other, what's in
the financial software to what the bank shows (mainly dates, amounts, and
of course making sure that they exist at all). What comes in from the bank
also has a transaction ID, which I put in the memo field, confirming that I
actually did generate this transaction at the bank (sometimes I put
transactions in the financial software that I *plan* to create at the bank,
and of course there are transactions automatically generated in the
software that may or may not correspond to anything that actually happens
at the bank). What comes in from the bank does *not* have categories and
splits on it, which takes us back to not simply using what the bank gives
me, but creating transactions in the financial software and comparing it to
what the bank has.

It's easy enough to copy the transaction ID from what's in the QIF file,
then, and paste it into what didn't come from the QIF file. However, as I
mentioned some weeks ago, I can't make cut/copy/paste functions that work
everywhere else on my computer work at all in Moneydance, and MD support
has stopped replying to my email, doesn't even acknowledge that they might
be trying to find a solution, and I'll admit that I'm a little peeved at
this, but then I remind myself that Intuit's support is about 100 times
worse than that, as I grumble and manually type everything in... Okay, I'm
digressing.

Billpay transactions come in separately because the QIF file from the bank
only contains transactions that have already been posted, whereas I want to
see transactions that have been scheduled but not yet posted. On the web
page where my billpay transactions are all listed, I highlight the table,
copy and paste into a text file. This is loaded into the database, which
sorts out all the crap and creates a QIF file as I already described. This
functionality was actually added on to another function that I had built
earlier...

I got tired of missing payments because bills got misplaced or lost in the
mail or whatever, so I created a list of all the bills we pay every month
and started checking them off as I scheduled payments or cut checks or
whatever. Eventually, only scheduled payments were involved because I
don't cut checks for these things anymore. Eventually, I put this into
Access, and each month I generate a report that lists all the bills we
expect to pay each month. By using the "screen scraper" technique I
mentioned, I was able to make the report more sophisticated, so that as
time goes by, everything is blank, and then as payments are scheduled,
payment dates, amounts, and transaction ID's are populated. Anything
that's still blank hasn't been dealt with yet (I put in zeroes if there is
no amount due, so I can see that it doesn't *need* to be dealt with).
Gradually, I added routines to handle it when I unschedule something at the
bank, or change the date or the amount. Human error is gone from the
picture, which was my intent. This is the biggest part that is now totally
broken as a result of my MS Office "upgrade" and it makes me want to cry.

Eventually, I am rebuilding my broken databases in Tcl and phasing out
Access altogether, but taking this on only highlights how many databases I
use in my life and how intricate all the processes are.

Finally, I created a separate database for inputting transactions. I
didn't much care for Quicken's interface, and this allows me to easily move
around, copying data, inputting in the sequence I choose, and so on. I
just find that it's easier to type into what I built than to use Quicken
directly, so I created this, and it spits out a QIF file that I can import
into any account in Quicken. This is especially handy now that we use a
credit card with advantage miles for most of our purchases.

Oddly enough, I find Moneydance less annoying than Quicken to use to input
data directly. I'm not sure why this is, and there are some annoyances, to
be sure. I'd like to be able to control what previous information is used
to auto-complete a transaction (for example, the transaction ID I put in
the memo, or for that matter, just about anything I put in the memo,
generally applies to *that* transaction only). I'd like to be able to use
"Enter" to move from one field to the next, rather than "Tab," and this old
habit has a tendency to create blank transactions, which I think Moneydance
should trap in any case. And when I get to the "Number" field, and type
"bi," it will autocomplete as "biLLPAY," whereas I think it should use
"BILLPAY," because that's how it is in the list of choices. But that's
*really* nitpicky...

At any rate, you can see that when Intuit decided to remove the
functionality of QIF imports, Quicken had to go...

Stan
Stan
2005-08-13 23:01:33 UTC
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My wife gets paid every other Monday.

Any suggestions about how to have this show up in Moneydance automatically?

I thought that setting a transaction reminder for "every 2nd Monday" would
cover it, but apparently this means the second Monday of every month.

Thanks for any ideas...

Stan
Stan
2005-08-13 23:04:09 UTC
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Oh, DUH! Daily... Every 14 days is what I was looking for.

Never mind...

Stan
Post by Stan
My wife gets paid every other Monday.
Any suggestions about how to have this show up in Moneydance
automatically?
Post by Stan
I thought that setting a transaction reminder for "every 2nd Monday" would
cover it, but apparently this means the second Monday of every month.
Thanks for any ideas...
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Fuzzy Fox
2005-08-14 06:20:58 UTC
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Post by Stan
I don't trust the idea of connecting to my FI's and letting them put
transactions directly into my financial software.
When you download transactions directly into Moneydance, you go through
an approval process whereby you check each one before it's entered.
They don't just magically jump into your register without your seeing
them first.
Post by Stan
And when I get to the "Number" field, and type "bi," it will
autocomplete as "biLLPAY," whereas I think it should use "BILLPAY,"
because that's how it is in the list of choices.
Moneydance keeps the case of the characters as you type them, just in
case the auto-complete might be wrong. However, once you hit TAB to
tell Moneydance that it got the auto-complete right, it will substitute
the actual case of the matching entry, so "biLLPAY" would become
"BILLPAY" after pressing TAB, in your given example.
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Stan
2005-08-15 02:20:24 UTC
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Post by Fuzzy Fox
Post by Stan
I don't trust the idea of connecting to my FI's and letting them put
transactions directly into my financial software.
When you download transactions directly into Moneydance, you go through
an approval process whereby you check each one before it's entered.
They don't just magically jump into your register without your seeing
them first.
Right, which is not the same as if the bank and I arrive at my balance
independently and then I check to make sure we get the same thing.

I've been reading the Quicken support newsgroup for several years, and the
nightmares that cannot be resolved that result from directly linking to the
bank do not leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. That may be a Quicken
issue and not a Moneydance issue. I don't really care. It's not going to
happen to my accounts.
Post by Fuzzy Fox
Post by Stan
And when I get to the "Number" field, and type "bi," it will
autocomplete as "biLLPAY," whereas I think it should use "BILLPAY,"
because that's how it is in the list of choices.
Moneydance keeps the case of the characters as you type them, just in
case the auto-complete might be wrong. However, once you hit TAB to
tell Moneydance that it got the auto-complete right, it will substitute
the actual case of the matching entry, so "biLLPAY" would become
"BILLPAY" after pressing TAB, in your given example.
It doesn't work this way when you create a Transaction Reminder. I didn't
realize that this was the only place that it works this way, but I was
getting plenty of transactions that said "tXFR" or "biLLPAY." I fixed the
Transaction Reminders, though, and now it works fine. It works as you
describe in the register itself, though.

Stan
Fuzzy Fox
2005-08-15 02:33:38 UTC
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Post by Stan
Post by Fuzzy Fox
Post by Stan
I don't trust the idea of connecting to my FI's and letting them
put transactions directly into my financial software.
When you download transactions directly into Moneydance, you go
through an approval process whereby you check each one before it's
entered. They don't just magically jump into your register without
your seeing them first.
Right, which is not the same as if the bank and I arrive at my balance
independently and then I check to make sure we get the same thing.
Well... it is not "letting them put transactions direclty into my
financial software," so I'm not sure what your point is. You say you
don't want Moneydance to work a certain way, and in fact, it does not
work that way, so what is the problem?

As for your other point, the action you describe is called
Reconciliation, and occurs in a separate step from the downloading of
transaction information, which I consider to be simply a data-entry
method. I don't make use of that method, because my bank doesn't
support it, but if it was supported, I would likely insert transactions
into my register using downloads, but I would still follow the same end
of month reconciliation that I always have, comparing my paper statement
to the balance in Moneydance, to make sure they agree.
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Stan
2005-08-15 03:36:37 UTC
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Post by Fuzzy Fox
Post by Stan
Right, which is not the same as if the bank and I arrive at my balance
independently and then I check to make sure we get the same thing.
Well... it is not "letting them put transactions direclty into my
financial software," so I'm not sure what your point is. You say you
don't want Moneydance to work a certain way, and in fact, it does not
work that way, so what is the problem?
You seem to want to get into a pissing war over this unless I'm misreading
your tone, and I'll just say I'm not interested and I'm not going to keep
going back and forth when all I said was I prefer to do things a certain
way and you evidently would rather do them a different way. *Shrug.*
Don't care.

You lifted a piece of what I said out of context. I went on to clarify my
position: "I want to maintain my own data where only I can touch it, and
then I compare it to what the FI says." I was attempting to explain why I
want QIF import functionality, which Quicken used to have but no longer
does, and which Moneydance still offers. I was not complaining about how
Moneydance works, but rather was, in fact, explaining why I dumped Quicken
and moved to Moneydance.
Post by Fuzzy Fox
As for your other point, the action you describe is called
Reconciliation, and occurs in a separate step from the downloading of
transaction information, which I consider to be simply a data-entry
method. I don't make use of that method, because my bank doesn't
support it, but if it was supported, I would likely insert transactions
into my register using downloads,
There's still a difference between letting your FI tell you what's come
through and you giving your blessing to it before accepting it, as opposed
to you determining independently what you expect to come through and
confirming that that's what happened. If you're comfortable with the
former, knock yourself out. I'm not, which probably goes back to my
experience as an auditor, and you're not likely to say anything to make me
more comfortable with it.

I know that my way is more work. But I catch errors all the time and if I
were working from the standpoint of "does this look okay?" I might not
catch as many of them. For example, I caught it when my bank cleared the
same check twice, three days apart. If I were just confirming what they
claim, I might very well say, "Yep, I wrote that check for that amount."
And then I might very well say it again three days later, and be perfectly
satisfied that everything was peachy, all the while paying twice for a
check I wrote once. Doing it the way I do it, the check is entered once
and I disagree with the bank by the amount of that check and I see the
bank's error and make them fix it.
Post by Fuzzy Fox
but I would still follow the same end
of month reconciliation that I always have, comparing my paper statement
to the balance in Moneydance, to make sure they agree.
And of course it will agree because Moneydance is loaded with what the FI
said happened, so why would they not agree?

I'm not trying to persuade you to do things my way. I'm sure the other way
is much simpler. I'm only trying to explain why I do it differently and
don't plan to change any time soon. We clearly disagree, and I hope you
have a nice day and that your bank sets up direct links very soon and that
you are very happy with it.

Stan
Fuzzy Fox
2005-08-16 03:40:20 UTC
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I'm only trying to explain why I do it differently and don't plan to
change any time soon. We clearly disagree
Apparently we are in violent agreement. I do things exactly the same
way that you do. I enter my transactions manually. I check the paper
statement every month against what I've entered.

The only disagreement we have is that you implied that, when downloading
transactions, they silently slip into your register without you having a
chance to check them for factuality first. That is NOT the case.

That is the only issue I wanted to bring to your attention, that you
implied something that is not true, about Moneydance's behavior.
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Victor Roberts
2005-08-15 22:47:18 UTC
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Post by Fuzzy Fox
As for your other point, the action you describe is called
Reconciliation, and occurs in a separate step from the downloading of
transaction information, which I consider to be simply a data-entry
method. I don't make use of that method, because my bank doesn't
support it, but if it was supported, I would likely insert transactions
into my register using downloads, but I would still follow the same end
of month reconciliation that I always have, comparing my paper statement
to the balance in Moneydance, to make sure they agree.
For what it's worth, I agree with Stan on this last point. If you
download transactions from your FI into MD, then the paper statement,
which is also prepared by your FI, will always agree with MD. I also
enter all transactions manually as they occur. When I then reconcile the
account against the paper statement from the FI I will catch any errors
they may have made.

Vic Roberts
Hans Derycke
2005-08-15 23:48:32 UTC
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If you download transactions from your FI into MD, then the paper
statement, which is also prepared by your FI, will always agree
with MD.
Only if you blindly accept all the incoming transactions.
Ken Ganshirt
2005-08-16 03:27:34 UTC
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Post by Stan
Post by Fuzzy Fox
As for your other point, the action you describe is called
Reconciliation, and occurs in a separate step from the downloading of
transaction information, which I consider to be simply a data-entry
method. I don't make use of that method, because my bank doesn't
support it, but if it was supported, I would likely insert
transactions
Post by Fuzzy Fox
into my register using downloads, but I would still follow the same
end
Post by Fuzzy Fox
of month reconciliation that I always have, comparing my paper
statement
Post by Fuzzy Fox
to the balance in Moneydance, to make sure they agree.
For what it's worth, I agree with Stan on this last point. If you
download transactions from your FI into MD, then the paper statement,
which is also prepared by your FI, will always agree with MD. I also
enter all transactions manually as they occur. When I then reconcile the
account against the paper statement from the FI I will catch any errors
they may have made.
Vic Roberts
I do the same ... sort of. I don't religiously enter everything manually.
That would be way too much work and a complete waste of time -- in my
case, of course.

I do enter some stuff manually. I won't try to detail all the many reasons
I might decide to do so. Suffice to say there are some reasons. But I
download the majority from my chequing and credit card accounts.

I choose to download and import QFX/OFX files manually. That way I
manually verify each transaction as I accept it. Whenever I write a check,
I manually enter the check at the same time. I write checks so rarely that
this is no big thing. I have few enough auto-debits at the bank, and they
have existed for so long now, that I can easily remember them. I do online
bill-pay manually and immediately download to get them entered.

If I see any credit card charges that I'm fuzzy about or simply don't know
about, I check the bills and check with my wife. I download every few days
.. usually at least twice a week .. so it's very rare that I will
encounter a downloaded transaction that I or my wife don't immediately
recognize.

By downloading the majority of the transactions and manually verifying
when I accept them, I save a lot of manual data entry but still retain all
the control I require. If I recall an earlier conversation on this issue,
I think David (Fuzzy Fox) does something similar .. retaining control by
verifying each transaction as it is accepted.

...ken...

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2005-08-16 14:46:00 UTC
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Post by Victor Roberts
Post by Fuzzy Fox
As for your other point, the action you describe is called
Reconciliation, and occurs in a separate step from the downloading of
transaction information, which I consider to be simply a data-entry
method. I don't make use of that method, because my bank doesn't
support it, but if it was supported, I would likely insert transactions
into my register using downloads, but I would still follow the same end
of month reconciliation that I always have, comparing my paper statement
to the balance in Moneydance, to make sure they agree.
For what it's worth, I agree with Stan on this last point. If you
download transactions from your FI into MD, then the paper statement,
which is also prepared by your FI, will always agree with MD. I also
enter all transactions manually as they occur. When I then reconcile the
account against the paper statement from the FI I will catch any errors
they may have made.
Vic Roberts
I have to add that it is _not_ "always true" that the paper statement
will agree with MD. That would only be true if you never enter
transactions that MD cannot easily match by hand.

In my case, I normally try to enter the transactions by hand.
When I download transactions, if MD is not able to make the match, it
adds the transaction producing two similiar transactions.

Example: My deposits are sometimes more than one check but the bank
does not give a receipt showing the separate checks. So I list the
deposits separately and when I download I get the lump deposit which I
delete after making sure the lump sum adds up to the individual
deposits. A tad cumbersome but easier than makeing each check into a
separate deposit.

In my mind, download the transactions is entirely separate from
reconciling. A purpose of reconciling is to weed out any errors to
arrive at a balance both the bank and I can agree on.

It's easy to make the adjustment when doing the reconcile.
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Gray Maddry
2005-08-16 03:22:54 UTC
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Stan,
Can you explain how importing a download QIF file via a Web login is
different from downloading OFX transactions via a direct login? In one case
you import and in the second case they are imported via downloaded
transaction window. I use the "direct method" and verify all transactions
before I accept them. They must match something in my register that was
manually entered or entered via reminders.
I could see where you could get into trouble by accepting all downloaded
transactions bindly, but MD doesn't force you to do this.
Gray Maddry

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[mailto:moneydance-info-bounces-***@public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:20 PM
To: moneydance-info-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [moneydance] Re: Importing transactions
Post by Fuzzy Fox
Post by Stan
I don't trust the idea of connecting to my FI's and letting them put
transactions directly into my financial software.
When you download transactions directly into Moneydance, you go through
an approval process whereby you check each one before it's entered.
They don't just magically jump into your register without your seeing
them first.
Right, which is not the same as if the bank and I arrive at my balance
independently and then I check to make sure we get the same thing.

I've been reading the Quicken support newsgroup for several years, and the
nightmares that cannot be resolved that result from directly linking to the
bank do not leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. That may be a Quicken
issue and not a Moneydance issue. I don't really care. It's not going to
happen to my accounts.
Post by Fuzzy Fox
Post by Stan
And when I get to the "Number" field, and type "bi," it will
autocomplete as "biLLPAY," whereas I think it should use "BILLPAY,"
because that's how it is in the list of choices.
Moneydance keeps the case of the characters as you type them, just in
case the auto-complete might be wrong. However, once you hit TAB to
tell Moneydance that it got the auto-complete right, it will substitute
the actual case of the matching entry, so "biLLPAY" would become
"BILLPAY" after pressing TAB, in your given example.
It doesn't work this way when you create a Transaction Reminder. I didn't
realize that this was the only place that it works this way, but I was
getting plenty of transactions that said "tXFR" or "biLLPAY." I fixed the
Transaction Reminders, though, and now it works fine. It works as you
describe in the register itself, though.

Stan
Mike Bailey
2005-08-16 22:09:03 UTC
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I agree with you Stan. One of my banks does not support direct
downloading into any accounting program. So I can say with confidence
that I can safely download an OFX file and import it manually. I find
that works much better than QIF. Whether you download directly or
import from a manual OFX download, MD requires you to manually verify
each and every transaction before recording it in the account.

Now if I can just figure out why the OFX downloads from that bank
have suddenly begun appearing as a text file in a browser window
rather than triggering the normal file download???? Before anyone
suggests it, I have tried the download with Safari, FireFox, Camino,
Opera, Netscape, Shiira, and Internet Explorer and all do the same
thing. I suspect it is the bank!

Mike Bailey
Post by Gray Maddry
Stan,
Can you explain how importing a download QIF file via a Web login is
different from downloading OFX transactions via a direct login? In one case
you import and in the second case they are imported via downloaded
transaction window. I use the "direct method" and verify all
transactions
before I accept them. They must match something in my register that was
manually entered or entered via reminders.
I could see where you could get into trouble by accepting all
downloaded
transactions bindly, but MD doesn't force you to do this.
Gray Maddry
Ken Ganshirt
2005-08-16 22:49:43 UTC
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Post by Mike Bailey
Now if I can just figure out why the OFX downloads from that bank
have suddenly begun appearing as a text file in a browser window
rather than triggering the normal file download???? Before anyone
suggests it, I have tried the download with Safari, FireFox, Camino,
Opera, Netscape, Shiira, and Internet Explorer and all do the same
thing. I suspect it is the bank!
Mike Bailey
If you are using Windoze, check your file type associations to see if that
has changed. Perhaps you were doing some manual editing of an OFX file and
changed the association to the text editor and forgot to change it back?
That would automatically trigger the browser to display text, regardless
of which browser you try.

Or check the extension on the bank's file to see if it is coming as a .TXT
file (or something else you have associated with your text editor) instead
of .OFX. That would also automatically trigger your browser to display
text. In any case, when you download and it opens as text instead of
starting a download, you can still save it as a .OFX file by either saving
the "page" as it is displayed in the browser (Save As) or by doing a
Select All, Copy/Paste into your text editor and saving it as an OFX file.

My apologies if you've already figured all that out yourself.

...ken...

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Mike Bailey
2005-08-17 01:30:04 UTC
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Thanks Ken, I had figured that out, in fact it is how I have been
downloading transactions for the last few weeks. I am using OS X and
as I said the file does not "download" per. se. The OFX text displays
in a window which I can then save. I just did some checking and what
I saw in one browser was a bit different in another but appears the
download URL has OFX at the end and apparently the browsers are
adding the .txt extension when I save the file from the browser. This
is almost certainly a bank problem because a QIF download works
correctly. I will send them an email tomorrow and see what they say.
This is a small bank and they have been very responsive to any problems.
Post by Ken Ganshirt
If you are using Windoze, check your file type associations to see if that
has changed. Perhaps you were doing some manual editing of an OFX file and
changed the association to the text editor and forgot to change it back?
That would automatically trigger the browser to display text,
regardless
of which browser you try.
Or check the extension on the bank's file to see if it is coming as a .TXT
file (or something else you have associated with your text editor) instead
of .OFX. That would also automatically trigger your browser to display
text. In any case, when you download and it opens as text instead of
starting a download, you can still save it as a .OFX file by either saving
the "page" as it is displayed in the browser (Save As) or by doing a
Select All, Copy/Paste into your text editor and saving it as an OFX file.
My apologies if you've already figured all that out yourself.
Sean Reilly
2005-08-11 19:05:44 UTC
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I have both a business and personal checking account with NetBank
(www.netbank.com). They offer free interest-bearing checking
accounts that include online bill payment, transaction download, and
they work very well with Moneydance. As far as I know they don't
have any local branches, but that is fine for how I use it (visa
check-card and mailed deposits). I've been very happy with this
service.

Thanks,
Sean
Post by Rachel Slatkin
Post by Rachel Slatkin
Is anyone using Online Banking in Moneydance with E*Trade Bank?
Following up on my own post, I talked with E*Trade tech support
about this issue this morning. He said that direct online access
is available for their brokerage accounts, but not yet for their
bank accounts. He said they were working on it, but didn't know
when it would be available.
So, I'm interested in finding a bank that allows free direct
online access and bill pay from Moneydance, has free interest
checking, online check images, and that people are happy with. Any
recommendations?
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Richard Hendershot
2005-08-12 00:17:36 UTC
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I open a credit account that bills monthly. I click on the payment
column to sort by that. I ('d like to) highlight the entries with
payments. I'd want to be able to use a contextual menu item to create
an ad-hoc report. I'd also like to be able to re-sort (eg. by date) for
the printed (or exported) report. That would let me verify that I'm
making the schedule for payments -on the schedule I think I am- more
easily. And I'm sure there's way more uses for snapshot export/print.
Something to think about, maybe, Sean.

Soon as I'm done I'm gonna update to 409 so if 408 is deficient about
these by comparison, my bad for not knowing! ;)

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